@forpeterssake Feel like the Tesla 3 and Hyundai Ioniq 6 are kinda showing the way - that peoples' range anxiety clears up around 300+ miles, and that the only way to practically get that kind of range is with a sensible car.

@bikepedantic @forpeterssake yea, we got an Ioniq 6 and like it very much. But is this really news? I thought GM had previously said they were going to bring back something like the bolt (smallish, affordablish car) but the current Bolt with a different type of battery arrangement is being discontinued.

@geoff_green @bikepedantic Previously GM said it would "replace" the Bolt with the Equinox EV, but they aren't comparable. Equinox is a larger, heavier, and more expensive SUV.

@forpeterssake @geoff_green and even if they promised a successor Bolt, the fact that they might actually follow through is notable.

*i got burned by Ford's retracted promise to bring the current-gen Ford Focus to the US.

@forpeterssake @bikepedantic ah I saw the email they sent out, that’s clearly more specific.

@bikepedantic Those are both some of the most attractive options on the market, but they're both still too pricey. $60k+ for Ioniq 6, I believe. I'd love to drive it, to be clear, I just don't think that's a reasonable amount to spend on a car.

@forpeterssake oh yeah, pricing is absolutely out of control too. And both are out for me, i am a hatchback lover. A 300+ mile Bolt at a reasonable price would interest me far more.

@bikepedantic I'd also like to see Nissan step up its game and create a Leaf 3 with better range. It's a pretty nice car to drive, it's reasonably priced, but the current max range is only 364km/226 miles. If they increased that slightly to around 300 miles, I think it would be a really attractive option.

@forpeterssake @bikepedantic Even a really nice high end e-bike with all the options is about 1/6th of that price, and most are far less than even that. I am so glad I don’t have such a huge amount of my money tied up in a car anymore, it’s honestly a relief to have that expense completely gone from my life.

@aaroncorsi @forpeterssake @bikepedantic the range anxiety thing, I think, is largely about road trips which most people only take a handful of times per year. But the car ownership model requires people trade in their gas car or they would have nowhere to store the new one. Sub 30mph tiny NEVs could be a great city car if you weren't expected to race at 50 (to the next red) on every stroad, but then ppl would just bike. See also trains, vs the bike network in your/ destination city.

@enobacon Storage problem? Tell that to the family in my neighborhood with three huge Cadillac Escalades for a family of… three. Somehow they manage to fit them all in their driveway and it looks ridiculous.

@aaroncorsi right, I guess they could swap one or two of those for 2-4 EVs and not have to stoop to being seen on bikes

@enobacon But then they might not scare me as much when they speed too close to pass me while I’m riding my bike on the greenway and they’re driving their Escalade home. I’m pretty sure that’s the only way they can feel alive anymore.

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Road trips in an EV would give me some range anxiety, but we also have to think about the large numbers of Americans who live in exurbs and drive significant (100+ miles) for work daily, and similar distances for errands.

Re: sub-30mph NEVs, I love the idea, but many American cities are connected only by highways. (I have a ~35mph e-moped, but I have to ride in a bike lane or shoulder on the 50mph road connecting my community to the rest of the city.)

@forpeterssake @aaroncorsi @bikepedantic Some quick bus-only lane re-allocations could really tame a lot of these #stroads very easily. These streets are the sources of crashes, injury and deaths, unsafe whether you're in a car or not.

How many people are actually driving over 100 miles per day? But anyway, we can start with the people and distances that aren't difficult to shift to other modes or smaller EVs, except for car supremacy itself, just start.

@enobacon @forpeterssake @aaroncorsi @bikepedantic The solution here is good transit from the exurbs in. As someone who grew up in the exurbs, it’s a real phenomenon, but cars are a lousy solution.

@dx @forpeterssake @aaroncorsi @bikepedantic yes and again: to make transit viable, we need bikeways in even/particularly the most sprawling land uses. We just need to learn to see the space currently reserved for extra cars "just in case" and even the lanes that are filled with standstill cars for whatever 20-90 minutes when #drivers have ALL decided now was the perfect time to do that thing they like to do together.